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Re: TV Series

Post by Tawmis » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:56 pm

MusicallyInspired wrote:
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WandaVision is exceptionally bizarre and I love it. Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
Phew. I didn't hate it. But neither did I like it. It's too... slow?
I'm really enjoying it. I don't know. It takes me back to those old shows like Lost in Space, Gilligan's Island, Andy Griffith Show, Abbott and Costello Show. Charming silly old TV shows (at least the first two episodes). Totally out of left field and things keep changing but there's hints at something sinister going on and I can't wait to find out what it is. But in the meantime, I'm really entertained by the content so it doesn't feel slow to me.
Oh, I get the openings (especially liked the Bewitched reference/opening cartoon). But that's just it... it feels like it doesn't know what it wants. And to me - I believe 100% they're basing this VERY loosely off an existing comic book story (I won't spoil what I am 99% sure what they're doing) - and that's the "Sinister" aspect behind it - but it feels like it's trying to do those old type shows; but then it's also adding this Sinister element beneath it - that, to me - doesn't fit. One is upbeat, cheery, silly, funny; the other is almost like something from LOST. They directly clash. Because they don't really do a lot of the "suspense/sinister" until they very end. Like the last 10 seconds. (They provide other hints - like "What is the heart on the calendar mean?") - but I think if they really want it to work for what I'd like to see is more 50/50 of the old time and the suspense.

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Re: TV Series

Post by DeadPoolX » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:51 pm

Tawmis wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:56 pm
MusicallyInspired wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:29 pm
Tawmis wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:32 pm
MusicallyInspired wrote:
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:57 pm
WandaVision is exceptionally bizarre and I love it. Looking forward to seeing where this goes.
Phew. I didn't hate it. But neither did I like it. It's too... slow?
I'm really enjoying it. I don't know. It takes me back to those old shows like Lost in Space, Gilligan's Island, Andy Griffith Show, Abbott and Costello Show. Charming silly old TV shows (at least the first two episodes). Totally out of left field and things keep changing but there's hints at something sinister going on and I can't wait to find out what it is. But in the meantime, I'm really entertained by the content so it doesn't feel slow to me.
Oh, I get the openings (especially liked the Bewitched reference/opening cartoon). But that's just it... it feels like it doesn't know what it wants. And to me - I believe 100% they're basing this VERY loosely off an existing comic book story (I won't spoil what I am 99% sure what they're doing) - and that's the "Sinister" aspect behind it - but it feels like it's trying to do those old type shows; but then it's also adding this Sinister element beneath it - that, to me - doesn't fit. One is upbeat, cheery, silly, funny; the other is almost like something from LOST. They directly clash. Because they don't really do a lot of the "suspense/sinister" until they very end. Like the last 10 seconds. (They provide other hints - like "What is the heart on the calendar mean?") - but I think if they really want it to work for what I'd like to see is more 50/50 of the old time and the suspense.
I don't have Disney+ so I haven't seen WandaVision, but in reference to "it feels like it doesn't know what it wants," well... this is that show's first season. In practically every show I've ever seen, first seasons go through an awkward stage. I don't know what it is, but usually first seasons have relatively weak storylines and characterization that feels off or poor.

Admittedly, that's been less of an issue with higher quality TV shows and not being able to afford to waste a single season. By that I mean seasons are really short now, usually ranging anywhere from eight to ten episodes. Sometimes you might actually see a season that has 12 or 13 episodes, but it's pretty rare.

In the past, you'd see seasons that could range between 24 to 30 episodes (depends on the decade) for both hour-long dramas and half-hour sitcoms. That said, the overall quality of MOST network shows was far lower than a lot of the stuff we see today, the actual length of shows were less than advertised (due to commercials) and more episodes usually meant the writers wasted time with non-story-related one-shots and had characters doing stuff that felt designed to burn up running time. Also, censorship was a big issue, and is still stricter on network television today (at least in the US) than it is on premium channels or streaming-specific content.
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Re: TV Series

Post by Tawmis » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:39 pm

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I don't have Disney+ so I haven't seen WandaVision, but in reference to "it feels like it doesn't know what it wants," well... this is that show's first season. In practically every show I've ever seen, first seasons go through an awkward stage. I don't know what it is, but usually first seasons have relatively weak storylines and characterization that feels off or poor.
Now normally I would absolutely agree with you. If this was a show with "new" characters that need the viewers to attach to. However, Vision and Scarlet Witch have been in several widely popular movies. :)
That said, neither Vision or Scarlet Witch act anything like they did in the movies; because, they do indeed act like the silly "I love Lucy" and "Bewitched" type of B&W humor; so the character dialogue is (intentionally) silly.
They're definitely building up to something; both episodes have had clues about "something" coming.
But the execution doesn't feel right to me. And, my wife felt the same - so it's not just the comic geek in me, saying "This is stupid."
But plenty of people enjoy it; and I've seen plenty who dislike it; and plenty like myself who are very much on the fence.
Because Marvel/Disney has not let me down (other than Iron Man 3 - that movie doesn't exist in my head). So I don't doubt that this is going to be good... eventually.
But, that said - I do believe this show is just ONE season long. I am not 100% sure - but I believe (if I am guessing correctly as to what's happening) - this is going to lead into the next phase of the Marvel Universe.

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Re: TV Series

Post by notbobsmith » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:43 pm

I haven't seen WandaVision so I can't comment on it specifically, but one thing that "bothers" me about TV series these days is the strong dependence on the season-long story arc. Discovery and Picard are much the same: it's almost impossible to evaluate until the season reaches its conclusion. Then you know if what was leading up to it was worth it or not. I miss the days of TNG: some episodes were good, some were great, others were turkeys with the occasional "meh". On balance it was a good show. As for WandaVision, who knows? Maybe at the end of the season you'll say "That was brilliant" or people who like the show now will say "Seriously?".

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Re: TV Series

Post by Rath Darkblade » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:45 am

DeadPoolX wrote:
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It's gotten so bad that both the makers of Lysol and Clorox had to put warning labels on their products, urging people not to drink them. :shock:
Rath, there are warnings on curling irons that state: "for external use only." Think about that for a moment.
Yeah, I've seen some of those warnings. This article from Forbes, 10 years ago, gave 20 of the dumbest. :P

I suppose that's fair enough. No company wants to be sued, especially over really stoopid things. ;) And yet, I'd have hoped that most of us would know enough not to drink bleach.

But if, just for the sake of argument, someone does drink bleach and his family sues Clorox ... (pardon me while I :roll:) ... why doesn't the judge just throw the case out? ;)

I'd love to see that. "The judgement of this court is that Clorox has no case to answer. Your son's earned his Darwin Award through his complete stupidity, and looking at you, I can see where he got it from. Get out and never disgrace my court again with your inane ramblings. As for your lawyer -- sir, you should know better, and if I ever see you again, I'll have you disbarred. NEXT!"

(Maybe not in those words, but ...) ;)

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Post by goatmeal » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:17 pm

One of our business teachers in high school would explain why (at the time) push lawn mowers in the United States had a warning label not to use them to trim the hedges...

...because some idiot used it to trim his hedges, severely hurt himself, then sued and won because there was "no label" explicitly warning against using it as such.

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Re: TV Series

Post by Rath Darkblade » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:22 pm

George Carlin: "'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ;)

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Re: TV Series

Post by goatmeal » Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:58 pm

Rath Darkblade wrote:
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George Carlin: "'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ;)
That's one of my favorites from him!

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Re: TV Series

Post by Rath Darkblade » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:43 pm

He's one of my favourites, period. Plus (from the 80s and 90s) Bill Hicks -- although I don't like all his stuff. Plus Lennny Bruce, Victor Borge ... ;)

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