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Post by DeadPoolX » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:14 pm

I'm sure everyone has things that annoy them. So let's hear 'em!

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1. Online Groups -- Ever since The Sierra Network (or ImagiNation Network, whichever you prefer) was around in the very early 1990s, people have formed groups. This was most prevalent in combat-oriented games, such as Red Baron, Air Warrior, Aliens Online, Starsiege and more recently, every MMORPG you can find.

The problem with these online associations is that the members take it far too seriously. They act like what they do is an urgent matter of life or death. Even worse are the groups with a rank-like structure. In those groups, people like to use their imaginary position of authority to boss others around.

I remember a particular Mechwarrior 4 group called the 3rd Devon Highlanders, in which the commanding officer was a man called "Eviscerator" and the second in-command was a woman named "Steel Fire" (Maia knows them as "Jack" and "Kim" from Guild Wars). What annoyed me about 3DH was the strict military structure.

Both Jack and Kim had been in the U.S. Army (as were a number of other members) and so they were used to working that way. Granted, I like the military, but there comes a point where you need to stop and realize that you're there to have fun; not go through boot camp. We had numerous training sessions, all of which were all fairly mundane, except one where my brother (then known as "Mercenary") started the online equivalent of a mech-oriented food fight.

Probably the worst aspect of 3DH was that in order to change your mech's weaponry, you need to gain "permission" from the ordinance officer. If he permitted it, you could change your weapons, but... because we were an "Inner Sphere" group and not a "Clan," we could not use the more powerful Clan weapons.

What I'm getting at here is the utter ridiculousness of the whole thing. We were there to play a game and have fun; not act as if we were really in the military.

2. Morons -- There's no shortage of morons online or off. I think we can all agree on that. In an unusual situation in Guild Wars, I somehow got into an argument with someone else. He was saying losing your GW account to hackers was the worst thing that could happen. I suggested that some accounts, such as the ones involving your bank and credit cards, were more important. He vehemently opposed me on that.

I can only imagine that this individual was quite young, so he didn't care about real life endeavors such as bank and credit card accounts or even credit ratings.

Another example is a personal pet peeve of mine. It's when someone asks a question on a board, obviously looking for assistance and then gets responses such as: "I don't know the answer, sorry."

Okay... so why did you respond?! Unless you have something at least halfway decent to contribute, you're simply wasting that person's time, as well as your own.

3. The Online Definition of "Free" -- Have you ever been looking for something online and then read -- either on Google or the actual website -- that whatever you're looking for is "free?" Since you're now excited, you quickly look it all over only to discover that it's not free and was a trick to get you there.

A good example is p0rn. Those sites will say -- usually in large letters -- that they're free. The truth is that they're not free and you still have to pay for a subscription to the website. Apparently, the online definition of free (and this is hardly limited to p0rn) is that you can "visit the website for free." These sites know that most people won't think of that is free. After all, it's technically free to visit any website.

For clarification... No, I don't spend my time trolling for pornography. I have, however, seen different p0rn sites before and they almost always pull this stunt.

4. Online Cliques -- Remember high school when everyone had a clique? There were the geeks, the so-called cool jocks and cheerleaders and the weird goth people who wandered around like the undead? I'm sure you do.

Well, in the online world of cyberspace, this exists too. Go to any message board and you'll quickly find out who the "cool people" are. These individuals can easily get away with doing and saying practically anything. If someone who isn't deemed "cool" tries that, they'll be burned at the stake.

Why? Because they're just not cool. That's why.

5. Don't Ask Why -- I'm not the sort of person who just does something because he's told or given the line, "You don't need to know." Yes, I do need to know if I'm going to be doing whatever it is you want.

The only time I could see the above as okay, is if you're in the military or involving some sort of national security issue. Neither one of those usually affects us in everyday life.

6. Entitlements -- This may be an issue in which is somewhat foreign to those not from the United States. Way back in America's history, we had slaves. That was just "life as normal" and very few actually gave it much thought.

President Abraham Lincoln stated that he'd keep slavery if it meant war could be avoided. However, the U.S. was divided in slave and non-slave states. Lincoln announced that any new state admitted into the Union would be a non-slave state. Naturally, that didn't sit well with slave states, as they saw the act as a subtle demolition of their livelihood. The southern states -- most of which utilized slavery -- were mainly agricultural. They used slaves to work on land. If the slaves were given their freedom, their entire way of doing business would go down the drain.

Eventually tensions rose to the point where the American Civil War commenced. To sum it up, the United States defeated the Confederacy. Slaves were then given their freedom.

The reason I gave that extremely shortened version of American history is because it's important to know it, since it affects the U.S. today. The Civil War ended in 1865, so it's been about 143 years since slavery, as an institution was considered legal. Unfortunately, the African Americans living in the U.S. still believe, for some reason or another, that they are entitled to not only monetary reparations, but benefits above and beyond what others receive in this country.

I could see doing that to those who were enslaved or even a generation after. However, it's been nearly a century-and-a-half since that time. African Americans have all the same rights and privileges as any other American. Apparently, that's not enough.

7. False History -- In reference to the slavery days of the U.S., it's become a long-believed myth that the southern states counted slaves as 3/5 of a person. That's not true at all.

While slavery states didn't care for slaved or think of them highly at all, the south wanted to count each and every slave as a whole person. Why? So that'd earn those states more seats in the House of Representatives. In the House, the number of seats each state has is directly in relation to that state's population.

The northern states disagreed, since that'd reduce their overall power and wanted slaves to count as nothing. So a compromise was made, in which slaves would count as 3/5 of a person.

Another myth regarding that era is who owned slaves. Using the two most famous personalities of the time (aside from Lincoln), many have the wrong idea about Union General Ulysses S. Grant and Confederate General Robert E. Lee.

The common misconception is that Lee was an evil slave-holding tyrant while Grant believed in the absolute freedom of slaves. The reverse is actually true. Grant owned slaves while Lee had freed his slaves, but continued to employ them.

He had been a decorated officer in the U.S. military and originally frowned upon seceding from the U.S. and fighting against it. Why did Lee fight against the U.S. then? His loyalty was predominantly towards his home state of Virginia and when that state joined the Confederacy and became a battleground, he sided with his state.

Lee actually lost a lot in the Civil War. Among other losses, Lee's home was taken after the war by the U.S. and turned into Arlington Cemetery.

There are many misconceptions about history and other areas, but they'd take too long to recount.

8. The Medical Profession -- This isn't annoyance directed at the doctor and nurses, but instead against those who harbor a huge grudge towards those in the medical profession.

Many erroneously believe that physicians are fabulously wealthy. While it's true doctors make more than the average person, they are far from rich. Considering they spend 10 years or so (sometimes more, depending on the specialty) in medical school and residency before become a doctor and acting responsible for the health and well being over others, I'd say they're entitled to some compensation.

The most often heard complaint is that doctors charge too much. What's misunderstood, however, is that (in the U.S.) health insurance companies dictate how much the doctor actually earns. For instance, say a doctor is supposed to make $1000 off a patient for whatever reason. That patient's health insurance will pay out something like $250 to the doctor. They won't do it immediately either. Getting that money can take upwards of six months, so doctors generally employ office staff who just track down insurance companies to get what they've earned. That person's position, of course, costs the physician money as well.

Doctors are also obligated to see any patient who enters the ER, even if they are uninsured. In that case, the doctor (and the hospital) will make nothing off the patient. The only two real reasons for health insurance is to cover the cost of medication and if you need some large procedure, such as an operation or MRI. Otherwise, it may actually be beneficial to avoid getting it.

I know the response many give and that's: "Being a doctor shouldn't be about money. They should be satisfied with treating patients."

Yes, doctors do derive a sense of satisfaction from helping their patients. However, who said they should work for free? How would anyone else in other professions like being told they should simply "enjoy their job" for little or no pay?

9. Bad Endings in Games -- Why? Why do so many games have extremely poor or nonexistent endings? People who play a game through from start to end would like to have some sense of accomplishment. That could easily be done if more games employed a decent ending.

Looking at Jade Empire (which merely uses a text-based ending sequence) or worse, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II, in which a ton of story was cut out and the ending reduced to a shadow of the original concept.

Maia has complained about the bad ending to Neverwinter Nights 2, which interestingly enough, was made by Obsidian. They also developed KotOR 2. Perhaps that game developer has a real issue with endings.

10. People Who Make Extremely Long-Winded Posts -- I am a great example of this. ;)
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Post by Collector » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:16 pm

The view that Grant was a slave holder while Lee is somehow absolved is skewed, too. Grant was born in Ohio, a free state. While he did marry the daughter of a slave holder and as such did acquire a single slave, this slave was freed before the Civil War. Lee, born into the landed Virginian aristocracy. He came into possession of nearly 200 slaves by will of his father-in-law. They were to be freed (a nod to classical slavery) but the will provided a maximum of five years for "the legal and logistical details of manumission", during which he "hired" them out. The "hiring" of these slaves was by Lee to surrounding neighbors with profit going to himself.

By any of this I am not trying to denigrate Lee or top make Grant nobler than he was. My point is that revisionist history is nothing new. It can be found on all sides.
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Post by Almirena » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:53 pm

I try not to be annoyed by things, but of course all of us have an "On" button that, when activated, serves to niggle us, prod us, make us twitchy, and generally make us feel put on.

Bad communication can be annoying. I am tolerant of those who can't help but communicate badly (very poor spelling, very bad leapfrogging from one concept to another, mumbled speech, etc.) but the THINGS that they do just make it so hard to interact with them...

Dogmatic and unsupported statements can be annoying. Mostly, I just let them slide unless it seems to me that the person wants to have a real discussion and is willing to learn. (I do mostly let them slide, which says a lot...)

Intelligent people who condescend, using their intelligence like a foot over an ant - it is frustrating to see, because my view of intelligence is that it should NEVER be used to denigrate others. While not everyone is capable of the same level of reasoning, most humans are educable during childhood and those teenage years. I would like to see a high level of education for all, education which helps those who are slower to reach the same or even higher levels as those who are faster to learn. Social and cultural background, influence from others, these things all count to shape the way people think - and while it is of course tiresome to debate an issue with someone who doesn't appear to understand even its basics or its implications, and seems INCAPABLE of using reasoning in that way, and doesn't have expert knowledge but behaves as though he/she does, that is still no reason to insult that person by virtue of one's expert knowledge and developed ability to reason and extrapolate. Intelligence is there to enlighten, to share, to help to educate, or to learn when simply to back off and leave the subject...

I am more than annoyed by charity organisations that employ people at normal or higher-than-normal rates. It is my opinion that charity organisations which receive donations to help the disadvantaged and those in trouble, left destitute by natural disasters or in danger of starvation, etc., should NOT employ people at the going rate, because it is without question that a significant proportion of the donated funds is going towards paying those people's salaries. I don't donate money in order to employ an organisation's secretaries or press agents. I feel very strongly about this, and I do believe that those working for charity organisations should be prepared to work for a slightly lower rate or even be volunteers. I am not speaking out of inexperience here: for more than a year I gave up one day a week to do practical volunteer work for SCOPE, working with severely disabled people suffering from cystic fibrosis; I always sing without charge for charity organisations who ask me; I have organised, paid for and put on several concerts where the total amount received in ticket sales went directly to disaster relief. (And what I do is pitifully little. I work full-time - more than full-time - so I can't do as much as I'd like to. What of the unemployed and retired? What of those whose financial situation is so comfortable they do not need to work? I have very strong views on wasting one's life in social nothings when there are people who need our help.)

I have to admit to something here. <sighs reluctantly> I know I have the impression of being very patient and tolerant when performing music with others who are... well... not of the standard I expect. And I will generally say nothing, I'll be obliging and encouraging, I'll take steps to be prepared in case the musicians or other singers made monumental errors in performance. But it's nerve-wracking! When performing, I really should not have to be worrying about a fellow performer. An accompanist should be giving me the support I need to sing with all my attention on the performance rather than be on edge lest the technical side go awry. So... I have mentally blacklisted some performers with whom I absolutely refuse to perform again. No point in telling them that they're not of a professional standard or have made errors - either they know and can't fix it, or they are not sufficiently musically enabled to recognise it. The only exception is early to mid-way in rehearsals when someone's repeatedly having a problem with some part of the music; then I'll try to help them identify the problem, give some ideas of how to negotiate it correctly; and hope they don't take offence.
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Post by Maiandra » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:58 pm

People in online discussions that resort to insults (personal and irrelevant insults!) when they can't come up with a way to refute the opposing side of a debate. I don't have a problem with people that don't want to agree with me, but resorting to insults instead of just "agreeing to disagree" is childish and petty. Civility and politeness are underrated in life and especially online life.

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Post by Collector » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:12 pm

Maiandra wrote:People in online discussions that resort to insults (personal and irrelevant insults!) when they can't come up with a way to refute the opposing side of a debate. I don't have a problem with people that don't want to agree with me, but resorting to insults instead of just "agreeing to disagree" is childish and petty. Civility and politeness are underrated in life and especially online life.
This goes on in more than online interchanges. It is prevalent in many other "arenas". It really comes from a lack of knowledge or training of rhetoric. I also agree with you about the general lack of civility. The anonymity of the internet only amplifies this. That and many of the online communities are full of kids.
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Post by DeadPoolX » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:10 am

I have something to say about charity organizations, too.

Shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center, the American Red Cross started acquiring donations to assist the widows and widowers of people who died that day. Everyone viewed that as exceptionally noble and the "right thing to do."

However, it was later discovered that the Red Cross spent only 30% of the monetary donations on disaster relief. In addition, The New Yorker (a widely distributed magazine started in 1925) reported that the Red Cross was visiting apartment buildings in wealthy Manhattan neighborhoods and distributing money to anyone who was "displaced, traumatized, or merely inconvenienced" by the terrorist attacks. That sounds all well and good, but the process of providing monetary assistance held little-to-regard concerning whether or not the recipients were actually in financial need.

Some say that the American Red Cross shouldn't discriminate based on finances, especially when the objective was to provide funds to those who lost someone on 9/11. However, the idea was that the money would be given to those who required assistance.

Moving on to an entirely different topic... I absolutely agree with Maia. So many people act however they feel like and consistently insult others who disagree with them. This is most prevalent online, due to the "safety and anonymity" of the Internet.

A good example is the so-called "console wars" that have been waged since the mid-90s. Earlier consoles (such as the NES, Sega Master System, SNES and Sega Genesis/Mega Drive) didn't receive as much attention, mostly due to the lack of the Internet. However, starting with the creation of the original Sony Playstation, Nintendo 64 and Sega Saturn (with Microsoft jumping into the fray later on with the Xbox), people began engaging in extremely antagonist and aggressive behavior.

It's not unusual at all to see Sony vs Nintendo vs Microsoft debate wars spring up all over the Internet. When someone disagrees, insults begin occurring. For some reason or another, many console gamers can't "live and let live."

To be fair, that's hardly a console-only issue. Years ago there used to be similar fights between those who liked certain automakers. The arguments between GM, Ford and Chevy were notorious for their utter ferocity.
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Post by Tawmis » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:17 am

Well about the groups and such DPX mentions - there are some that take it way too seriously. I know some. (Ah, memories of TevA come to mind) - but there's also groups that are in it for the social aspect of it - to have a constant set of people you can game with, who hopefully have your same playing manners (which means if I am there - you don't mind dying over and over and over and... You get the point). ;)

Things that annoy me is when I misplace something yet I remember "just seeing it not too long ago"... frick does that drive me insane.

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Post by Collector » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:03 am

DeadPoolX wrote:To be fair, that's hardly a console-only issue. Years ago there used to be similar fights between those who liked certain automakers. The arguments between GM, Ford and Chevy were notorious for their utter ferocity.
Or Mac vs. PC flame wars, though those can sometimes be amusing. Bating zealots is too easy.
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Post by Collector » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:06 am

Tawmis wrote:Things that annoy me is when I misplace something yet I remember "just seeing it not too long ago"... frick does that drive me insane.
LOL. Sometimes the most annoying things don't come from others, but things and situations around us.
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Post by Almirena » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:55 am

<starts a war in some remote corner of the globe - it's Win98 against the rest of you>

Come on! Let's duke this out! (Have I got that phrase right?)
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Post by AndreaDraco » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:47 am

Almirena wrote: Dogmatic and unsupported statements can be annoying. Mostly, I just let them slide unless it seems to me that the person wants to have a real discussion and is willing to learn. (I do mostly let them slide, which says a lot...)
Dogmatism, especially religious and particularly Catholic, is what annoys me the most. It may sounds stupid but unfortunately Italy is the host* of the Papacy, and their intervention in Italian political affairs is sometimes offensive and obnoxious. I remember, three years ago, the Pope inviting all the faithfuls not to vote in a referendum about in vitro fertilization. Mind you, he didn't invite them to go voting and to vote NO. On the contrary, he invited them to abstention. It was like Pius IX Non expedit, and the clear symptom of their fear of a defeat. I went to Rome to - peacefully - manifest against the Pope, but the Police wasn't kind on us, since he's the Pope and he's untouchable here in Italy. I vividly remember when Ratzinger wasn't yet Pope: during a GayPride years ago he said that - like in the Roman times - Rome was once again overrun by the beasts. Now, GayPride is another thing that annoys me, since I think that - whilst is good to manifest to obtain rights - the way it is orchestrated makes it nothing more than a self-imposed sexist marginalization, but when I heard those words from Ratzinger I was so upset that I did go to manifest nonetheless. Anyway, thanks to the Papacy's efforts, we don't any law about common-law marriage, about artificial fertilization, about euthanasia and their are also trying to deprive us of our laws about divorce and abortion.

* All the above explains why I'd be extremely glad to lead a military campaign against the Vatican City to conquer it and drive the Pope away from our Country! ;)
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Post by Rath Darkblade » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:07 am

One thing that annoys me is people who smoke and then blow the smoke in my face. This has happened to me once or twice.

I try not to be annoyed by too many things, but when people try to hold a conversation about some issue - any issue - without knowing the least little thing about it, it drives me crazy. I can't remember how many times I've had a conversation with people about the Israel-Palestine situation, for example, when they obviously knew nothing about it, and weren't prepared to listen to what I had to say.

Another thing that annoys me, too, is the sort of revisionism - historical or otherwise - that is obviously meant to bait people or lead them on and draw them into an anti-anything mob. It's annoying to me because that kind of revisionism divides the world into neatly spaced out black and white, whereas there really are so many shades of grey.

I try not to be annoyed by telemarketers; after all, they have their job to do. I just can't stand the ones who are crass and pushy and won't get off the phone until they've sold me something. Even worse was this particular one who called me not long ago:

Me: "Hello?"
Him: "Hi, I'm so-and-so from such-and-such. Can I speak to [my grandfather]?"
Me: (coldly) "No, you can't. That's my grandfather, and he died 24 years ago."
Him: "Oh. Then can I speak to [my grandmother]?"

No consideration at all. Sheesh. :-(

I agree with Maia that there's less civility and politeness around than there used to be, particularly online - and ad hominem attacks (attack the person, not the argument) are particularly prevalent online. I try to ignore them, since they have nothing useful to say. *smile*

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Post by DeadPoolX » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:11 am

I like telemarketers. I get to screw with their minds. :mrgreen:

There was telemarketer who called me one day and invited me to some sort of church/religious ceremony (she was mostly looking for donations from those attending) and began spewing all sorts of Christian dogma. Finally, she asked if I could make it.

I told her I couldn't because that day I have my weekly Satan Worshipers meeting.

She paused for a moment on the phone, said goodbye and then hung up.
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Post by Datadog » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:51 am

Ha! But still, I wonder why they always call during supper. Don't they eat too?

I get annoyed by on-line debates where people live in the black and white of everything. Religion's evil, science is evil, democrats are evil, republicans are evil, PCs are evil, Macs are evil, spaghetti's evil, milk is evil, etc. It's like watching two people with their heads in boxes yelling "RESPECT ME" at each other.

Party 1: "This is my opinion."
Party 2: "Your opinion is not the same as my opinion. Therefore, you are an idiot."
Party 1: "Everyone knows my opinion is the right one. Kneel before me."
Party 2: "No, anybody with a brain knows my opinion is the right one."
Party 1: "Here are scientific facts to back up my opinion."
Party 2: "Here are better scientific facts to back up MY opinion."
Party 1: "Your scientific facts are stupid because they support the wrong opinion."
Party 2: "Your scientific facts are wrong because they're hot-linked from a website I don't like."
Guy in the Middle: "Hey, guys - just thought I'd let you know that the truth is right over here by the window."
Party 1: "My opinion is already the truth. I don't need to come over and look."
Party 2: "Me neither."

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Post by Jules » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:02 pm

Rath, I can't stand the lingering telemarketer either. Or even lingering altogether. I recently called Delta to check the status of my flight for Thanksgiving because recently they've been horrible at changing the itinerary without notifying you. Well anyways, after checking, they wanted to sell me some kind of credit card. Ugh! I simply say, "That's all I needed, thanks." then hang up.

Oh, to add on to that, it irks me when the other person on the other line can hardly speak English. I have to ask the poor thing seventy times to repeat the question.

I try not to be annoyed and try to be patient but another thing that is annoying is interruptions. I have a friend who will talk and talk and talk. You can’t get a word in edgewise unless she stops and takes a breath. Another one is my mother in-law. She’ll talk your ear off and will jump from topic to topic, not allowing you to comment on anything. And by the time she’s done talking, it’s too late to comment because you’d be off topic!

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